So I think he had it right. It is a chain of command situation. Share on Twitter; Share on Facebook; . So this cadet would already be embedded with the staff or command team or shadowing the Platoon Leader, and would most likely have some, albeit limited prior service. ROTC cadets do too. -If you are a Soldier and you are still carrying around the trash attitude of the "good ole' days", it is most likely time for you to go. While it might be fun to haze the new margarine bar (he hasnt even worked his way up to butter bar yet), is that really the impression you want him taking with you when he gets commissioned and reports to his first unit? Hey brother. Sergeant First Class Ehrin Anthony joined the West Point Band in August of 2014. Officers and NCO's must realize alike that, they way you treat your future Officers (NCO's case) and the way you treat your subordinates (Officers case) will dictate how the military can and will be run in the future. Sergeant First Class Anthony has also served as a percussionist with the 9th Army Band in Fairbanks, Alaska, and the U.S. Army Signal Corps Band in Augusta, Georgia. Speed is your friend in a convoy, never drive slower than the rest of the civilian traffic, that way when a bad guy is trying to catch up to your convoy, he sticks out big time and the rear vehicle can easily engage him. Not only do NCO's get shit on by their LT's but sometimes the LT is getting shit on by his Company Commander. The cadet only holds E-6 equivalency. Upon completion of Basic and Advanced Individual Training at Fort Sill, Oklahoma he began his military career as a Field Artillery Surveyor. What is the TO&E and where is the cadet slotted? That same reg AR 600-20, Command Policy specifically states they will be addressed as "Mr./Mrs./Miss/Ms./Cadet" not Sir or Mam. Cadets salute one another and it is initiated according to cadet rank. Command Sergeant Major Michel R. Fraser was born in Wilmington, North Carolina and raised in Conway, South Carolina. Command Sgt. After graduating from high school, they both felt called to enlist, and became clerks. In other words, each the SNCO and the cadet would be functioning appropriately. Coming straight out of a college (any college) prepares you for exactly nothing. I think not. We were enlisted in the Air Force for a two year enlistment. Even if that enlisted man is the Sgt Maj of the Army. Upon completion of preflight we went to flight school. Mark C. Quander Brigadier General , US Army 79th Commandant of Cadets After completion of basic training, he attended Advanced Individual Training at Fort Eustis, VA, where he completed the UH-60 Helicopter Repairman course. The Commandant's Corner is a way to provide a direct channel of information about current cadet activities, leadership topics and other updates about the United States Military Academy's Corps of Cadets. Directorate of Public Works, n Director, RDT&E Division Port Hueneme, CA $64.88 + $7.25 shipping . This essay is an unofficial expression of opinion; the views expressed are those of the author and not necessarily those of West Point, the Department of the Army, U.S. I would argue that the NCO/CO rivalries have started as a result of more modern times as compared to past wars and generations and honestly it should stop. Due to the nature of promotions in the Guard at the time, he was still serving as the XO and was still a 1st LT. when I walked in wearing my Class As. And make it quick Lieutenant. I have to admit that when he asked what I needed I probably got a little pleasure by responding: a cup of coffee. NEW! You are absolutely wrong. Then we'd mow the guy down with an M4. I say these factors because while the SNCO is focused on the lugnut and wheel base the Year 3 cadet is looking at the whole of the Humvee and as much of the landscape around it as he can scope out. Rather, the Modern War Institute provides a forum for professionals to share opinions and cultivate ideas. Prior to joining the band, Master Sergeant Lane served as head audio engineer at Grammy Award-winning Sono Luminus, a record label in Northern Virginia specializing in classical and jazz music. Your email address will not be published. I wondered how he, as a senior NCO in a highly specialized unit, felt about having cadets around. Other courses attended include the U.S. Army Airborne School, Air Assault School, Combative Level 2, Master Resiliency Trainers Course, Battle Staff Course, First Sergeants Course, and the United States Army Force-Management Course. Unprofessional. Cadet Physical Program requirements still remain a priority April 1, 2020. My CWO put him in his place and ask what would this cadet' commanding officer would think of his conduct and told him to leave. The United States Military Academy (USMA), also known metonymically as West Point or simply as Army, is a United States service academy in West Point, New York.It was originally established as a fort, since it sits on strategic high ground overlooking the Hudson River with a scenic view, 50 miles (80 km) north of New York City. *This post originally appeard The Havok Journal * U.S. Army photo by: Mike Strasser/ USMA Public Affairs He previously served as the NCOIC of supply at the U.S. Army School of Music. Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of If married his spouse is always addressed a "Lady so and so.". Death, disability, retirement, reassignment, or absence of the commander. the Armed Forces of the United States (Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, Coast Guard), the commissioned corps Plus, it's not typically possible for a Cadet to be a " regularly assigned member" of any unit other than their school unit. Thank you! Providing innovative solutions and discoveries through international collaborations with leading academic departments, research centers, and industry. Master Sergeant Loy Song has played in the Concert Band and Jazz Knights trumpet sections, was a founding member and lead singer of the Benny Havens Band, and is now a member of the Support Staff. The Army is always evolving but power bitches have always been around, we just don't frag them as we used to. Your attitude will get you relegated to a Quonset hut in BFE. The garrison supports a base population of over 16,500 Soldiers, Civilians, Family Members, and Contractors as well as supporting over 40,000 retirees in the area. Practice ought to comport with policy. Technically. Sir. Serving the Rugged Professional", Survivor Outreach Services | Total Army Sponsorship | Safety, Human Resources | Civilian Expeditionary Workforce, U.S. Army Environmental Command | Assistant Secretary of the Army for Installations, Energy & Environment, HOSPITAL - Keller Army Community Hospital, Military Police and Religous Support Personnel, U.S Army MEDDAC- Keller Army Community Hospital, U.S Army DENTAC- West Point Dental Activity, United States Military Academy at West Point, Assistant Secretary of the Army for Installations, Energy & Environment. It's often hard to find but its often the real truth on a subject especially if it's being spoon fed to you in briefs and media. That is why cadets dont go to parade rest while talking to NCOs. Don't assume a damn thing, if a young NCO or Soldier tells you he "thinks" the vehicle is ready or has a full tank of fuel, hand him a long stick, send him back to the Motor Pool, have him put the stick into the fuel tank and bring back said stick with fuel on it, that way both of you will now KNOW that the vehicle is fueled. It is not just West Point cadets who outrank NCO's. So cadets are included in the definition. We have other job description s (stores /rations handling.. what that person is responsible for , order for commissary ration/breakdown The better we helped him to understand the less he has to look for answers. Command Sergeant Major Fraser awards and decorations include: Meritorious Service Medal (1 SOLC, 1OLC), Army Commendation Medal (2 OLC), Army Achievement Medal (1 SOLC, 4 OLC), Presidential Unit Citation, Joint Meritorious Unit, Army Superior Unit, Army Good Conduct Medal (Numeral 6) Defense Service Medal, Kosovo Campaign Ribbon, Global War on Terrorism Expeditionary Medal, Global War on Terrorism Service Medal, Korean Defense Service Medal, Noncommissioned Officers Professional Development Ribbon (Numeral 5), Armed Forces Service Medal, Military Outstanding Volunteer Service Medal, Army Service Ribbon, Overseas Service Ribbons (Numeral 3), NATO Medal, Drill Sergeant Identification Badge, Drivers Badge, German Schuetzenschnur Marksmanship Award (Silver), a recipient of the Honorable Order of Saint Barbara, the Noble Patron of Honor, the Martyrdom of Saint Maurice, the COL Robert L. Manning Achievement Medal, and the Order of Horatio Gates Bronze Medal. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. I think that it would be a huge step in the right direction for the ROTC BNs to send their CDTs to their gaining units with an LOI/MOU pinned to their chest (Im sure ROTC has probably published guidance along those lines, but Ive never seen it) so that those commanders will have some idea what to do with those CDTs when they get there. Your email address will not be published. Command Sergeant Major Fraser has a daughter, Talia. They dont commission until CW2 but I guess they dont really count as Officers either. Or a sergeant major for that matter. For some reason a lot of angry major S3 types fall into this category. Command Sergeant Major Fraser military and civilian education include: Basic Leader Course, Advanced Leaders Course, Senior Leaders Course, US Army Drill Sergeant Academy, First Sergeant Course, United States Army Sergeants Major Academy, Garrison Pre-Command Course, Battalion Pre-Command Course, Command Sergeant Major Development Program, Master Resilience Training, HR Plans and Operations Course, Sexual Harassment and Sexual Assault Course, Battle Staff Course, Postal Supervisor, Postal Operations Course, Modern Army Combative Level I and II, Total Army Instructor Course, Equal Opportunity Leader Course, and Combat Lifesaver Course. Mr. Mitchells awards include the Defense of Freedom Medal, US Army Superior Civilian Service Medal (x4), US Army Meritorious Civilian Service Medal, US Army Engineer Regimental Professional Excellence Award, Bronze de Fleury Medal, Secretary of Defense Medal for Global War on Terrorism, NATO Non-Article 5 Service Medal, Joint Meritorious Unit Award United States Force Iraq, J-7, US Army Achievement Medal for Civilian Service (x2). While in New York, she won second prize in the Alexander and Buono International Flute Competition. As far as I know there are no CTLT positions in combat zones. The authors creative example about an NCO looking at a lugnut and an officer looking at the whole vehicle is nuts (bad humor). The smart LT listens to his/her NCO and seeks counsel from him/her. Sergeant Major MaryKay Messenger is a native of Newburgh, New York, and a well-known soloist throughout the Hudson Valley region, performing classical, Broadway, jazz, and popular music. And keep your mouth open and eyes covered with your hands when it or any other explosion goes off near you. I see that USMA had a proud communist recently graduate, he might as well spit in my face and all other better warriors than myself before me. Your comment reeks of arrogance. Indeed, a cadet assigned as a visitor to a regular unit on active duty would not be under disciplinary sanctions by his training command and institution if s/he were under sanctions the cadet would be disqualified from visiting. Cadets are never saluted. Its like my father (retired CW3) taught me; " I don't have to respect you but I HAVE TO RESPECT your rank.". While in Iraq in 2003-04 we got a batch of 12 west pointer kids and more than half were momma's boys and short of a huge shift in their personality and ideals, they're too far gone in the head to be respectable leaders. As a CDT, I was generally treated pretty well at my unit, this could have been because I was Mustang Officer in training and a former NCO, and that my CO was part of the cadre at Western Illinois, so she made it a point to assign me to a vacant officer position, in this case kind of a huge assignment as the Maintenance PLT LDR at a MED Truck CO, whereas most units dont even know what to do with a CDT. Assumption of command under these conditions is announced per paragraph 2-5. She created a public event called "Play Day," which received press from Time Out New York, Gothamist, and various other New York City media outlets. Staff Sergeant Taylor also served as a trombone player with the 323d Army Band "Fort Sam's Own" at Fort Sam Houston. When an NCO saluted me, I didn't just wave my hand at my cover to dismiss the salute, but "locked up" a little myself, acknowledged him with eye contact, and responded to any greeting. We need not be concerned about the proviso of either 2-15 or 2-16 as each applies to a Soldier under certain sanctions of discipline. Both preflight and flight school were run under the traditional cadet model of upperclass and lowerclass where upperclassmen were responsible for much of the military training and discipline of the lowerclassmen. Very interesting. Only the pay grade the cadet holds. Actually, cadets do fill positions in the National Guard in the Simultaneous Membership Program and can be assigned to an O-2 slot for a period of years. He is actually correct, SMP cadets serve in ARNG units in the rank of cadet. I think the part of the reg people have over looked is "the senior regularly assigned Army Soldier will assume command". I am acting PL of my platoon because we dont have a 2LT. I have to say that I got a little bit of vindication when I went back to obtain some records from my old guard unit. Per the order, they are not entitled to a salute. She received a Bachelor of Music Education from Indiana University, where she studied both trumpet and voice. While being true you must also realize there is a need for Commissioned Officers as well as Non Commissioned Officers. Somewhat surprised by this, and thinking back to my own experiences in CTLT, I asked why he felt that way. Eventually reclassifying as a MLRS/HIMARS Fire Direction Specialist, he would serve the Field Artillery Community in many positions ranging from Teams Chief to DIVARTY Command Sergeant Major. That one NCO who doesn't give a crap about you is the one you should be talking to. You know this, you are assigned as whatever rank you have in the guard. Command Sergeant Major: CSM Scott Drewes: The West Point Band (also known as the U.S. Military Academy Band or USMA Band) is the U.S. Army's oldest active band and the oldest unit at the United States Military Academy, traces its roots to the American Revolutionary War. Youre right, Sergeant, a West Point cadet DOES outrank you. Dont demand respect earn it. CSM Cravens military education includes all levels of the Non-Commissioned Officer Education System culminating with the United States Army Sergeants Major Academy. So you are always busy and have something to do. CTLT happens in all kinds of units, both in the US and OCONUS. Appreciate your reply. First, what an insult to a SNCO that instead of a 1SG with 10 plus years of experience leading soldiers in the absence of officers A Cadet would be next in succession. The ones that get emotional about my post will reply as expected and miss the lesson altogether because they've been hard wired to respond that way. In flight school cadets qualified for flight pay in addition to their regular pay. GO ARMY! They act only under the auspices of their supervising physician. Every. It was advanced pay so to speak. Maj. Roderick Taylor (USAG West Point Command Sergeant Major) October 14, 2016. You see there is a important reason that the strap be properly secured to the six foot ground rod driven into the ground. Why hasn't a single one of you been taught that humility, respect and honor flows both ways but in different fashions? 2LT Eisenhower, he was a 6' 3" tall man who was assigned to our platoon in 1992. Medical students are not in this hierarchy at all except they answer to doctors and do only what a doctor tells them to, under that doctors supervision. Allan intervened on Poe's behalf one last time and used his considerable influence . We get people whose ideals are from left field and seem to think the Army is their play ground. Infantry Veterans/Retirees cluster together on various online formats and we're very concerned what direction things are going and it has nothing to do with President Trump, I've seen what a prelude to war is twice in my lifetime and I'm seeing another one but in a slower manner. It would have sent enough juice thru the not yet graduate nor commissioned idiots heart to stop. Hell, we even had SGMs who wouldnt butter bars and 1LTs, unless you earned it by being high speed and they knew it. Comments will be moderated before posting to ensure logical, professional, and courteous application to article content. Eight cadet-athletes were selected to leadership positions and will assume their duties Aug. 10. I felt honored to have him there. You'll be hearing from us soon! IQ averages are around 120 for most Grunts and for those that don't track demographics, that's a huge jump from national averages. Other than those few, I feel as though the future is bright. This regulation shows that cadets rank after commissioned and warrant officers, but before NCOs. Long story short: Years of hands-on experience trumps reading an instruction manual, This applies in every situation and every single time. Thought about it and stored it away and drove on. Command Sergeant Major Fraser previous positions and assignments include G1 Sergeant Major, 13th Expeditionary Sustainment Command, Fort Hood, Texas; First Sergeant, Bravo Company and Reception Transition Unit, Fort Benning, Georgia; Senior Human Resources Sergeant, 501st Sustainment Brigade, Camp Carroll, Korea; Senior Human Resources Sergeant, 1st ABCT, Fort Riley, Kansas; Battalion S1 NCOIC, 2-4 FAR, Fort Sill, Oklahoma; Senior Drill Sergeant, B 2-39 INF REGT, Fort Jackson, South Carolina; Brigade S3 Operations Sergeant and Customer Support Branch, 1st PERSCOM, Schwetzingen, Germany; Personnel Administrative Sergeant, 87th CSSB, Fort Stewart, Georgia; Assistant Brigade Personnel Sergeant, Personnel Administrative NCO and Training Room NCO, 1st Brigade, Fort Stewart, Georgia. Will that is incorrect. Before anyone attacks me, I am a prior Army SSG who is now a MSIV Cadet (Active duty and Branched). And get to know your PBO very well! Staff Sergeant Megan Cardone joined the West Point Band in March of 2011. In respect of ROTC, the R stipulates that only a contracted cadet in ROTC fits the definition I presented. The cadet never will outrank a sergeant first class, master sergeant first sergeant sergeant major etc. Superior to a mere cunning, lazy enlisted man. Specifically, it allows them to try their hands at officership, and to get a feel for the kinds of officer/NCO relationships that are essential to the success of our Army. Good Grunts care less for their next promotion beyond making sure our records are correct. Tell the NCO's that you don't want to seem like a dick that you're being so picky on things, you're just building trust so later you know who's good to go and what each of our strengths are and that goes for the young LT as well (that's called humility and the men will understand because it's fair). As that was a long time ago, my memories of the experience were that it was the best and the worst of both worlds. Almost, like her husband, an officer and a lady. A straight up lie from a boy who thinks book smarts makes him am expert in my mos. Mr. Mitchell is married to his wife Jill and has three children, Connor, Fisher and Sophia. Battalion Command Sergeant Major, 1BN, 1st Regiment, USCC at United States Military Academy at West Point United States Military Academy at West Point View profile View profile badges I was an enlisted man and my rank at the time of my discharge in the late Summer of 1989 was Sergeant E5. Still though, the cadet might be assigned to the unit based on the Modified Table of Organization and Equipment (MTO) to a non cadet billet. Everybody read it. I thought this is a very well written article. While CTLT is a useful and important mentorship and developmental activity, many units see CTLT as a drag, and dealing with cadets as a hassle. Upon the successful completion of flight school cadets received their flight wings and were commissioned as second lieutenants and incured an additional four year service commitment. I really liked the story and learned something as well having been a former SMP Cadet before I commissioned. (Contracted ROTC cadets are MS III and MS IV, overwhelmingly and predominantly.) Medical students do not do anything on their own authority, and it would be illegal as they are unlicensed. Prior to serving in the Army, he was a high school percussion instructor and earned a Bachelor of Arts in music from Truman State University in Missouri. A CSM outranks a SPC, but you never see the latter salute the former. I work with my leadership and learn from them and they help to shape me to become a good officer. Conditions is announced per paragraph 2-5: Years of hands-on experience trumps reading an instruction manual this. 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So I think he had it right. It is a chain of command situation. Share on Twitter; Share on Facebook; . So this cadet would already be embedded with the staff or command team or shadowing the Platoon Leader, and would most likely have some, albeit limited prior service. ROTC cadets do too. -If you are a Soldier and you are still carrying around the trash attitude of the "good ole' days", it is most likely time for you to go. While it might be fun to haze the new margarine bar (he hasnt even worked his way up to butter bar yet), is that really the impression you want him taking with you when he gets commissioned and reports to his first unit? Hey brother. Sergeant First Class Ehrin Anthony joined the West Point Band in August of 2014. Officers and NCO's must realize alike that, they way you treat your future Officers (NCO's case) and the way you treat your subordinates (Officers case) will dictate how the military can and will be run in the future. Sergeant First Class Anthony has also served as a percussionist with the 9th Army Band in Fairbanks, Alaska, and the U.S. Army Signal Corps Band in Augusta, Georgia. Speed is your friend in a convoy, never drive slower than the rest of the civilian traffic, that way when a bad guy is trying to catch up to your convoy, he sticks out big time and the rear vehicle can easily engage him. Not only do NCO's get shit on by their LT's but sometimes the LT is getting shit on by his Company Commander. The cadet only holds E-6 equivalency. Upon completion of Basic and Advanced Individual Training at Fort Sill, Oklahoma he began his military career as a Field Artillery Surveyor. What is the TO&E and where is the cadet slotted? That same reg AR 600-20, Command Policy specifically states they will be addressed as "Mr./Mrs./Miss/Ms./Cadet" not Sir or Mam. Cadets salute one another and it is initiated according to cadet rank. Command Sergeant Major Michel R. Fraser was born in Wilmington, North Carolina and raised in Conway, South Carolina. Command Sgt. After graduating from high school, they both felt called to enlist, and became clerks. In other words, each the SNCO and the cadet would be functioning appropriately. Coming straight out of a college (any college) prepares you for exactly nothing. I think not. We were enlisted in the Air Force for a two year enlistment. Even if that enlisted man is the Sgt Maj of the Army. Upon completion of preflight we went to flight school. Mark C. Quander Brigadier General , US Army 79th Commandant of Cadets After completion of basic training, he attended Advanced Individual Training at Fort Eustis, VA, where he completed the UH-60 Helicopter Repairman course. The Commandant's Corner is a way to provide a direct channel of information about current cadet activities, leadership topics and other updates about the United States Military Academy's Corps of Cadets. Directorate of Public Works, n Director, RDT&E Division Port Hueneme, CA
$64.88 + $7.25 shipping . This essay is an unofficial expression of opinion; the views expressed are those of the author and not necessarily those of West Point, the Department of the Army, U.S. I would argue that the NCO/CO rivalries have started as a result of more modern times as compared to past wars and generations and honestly it should stop. Due to the nature of promotions in the Guard at the time, he was still serving as the XO and was still a 1st LT. when I walked in wearing my Class As. And make it quick Lieutenant. I have to admit that when he asked what I needed I probably got a little pleasure by responding: a cup of coffee. NEW! You are absolutely wrong. Then we'd mow the guy down with an M4. I say these factors because while the SNCO is focused on the lugnut and wheel base the Year 3 cadet is looking at the whole of the Humvee and as much of the landscape around it as he can scope out. Rather, the Modern War Institute provides a forum for professionals to share opinions and cultivate ideas. Prior to joining the band, Master Sergeant Lane served as head audio engineer at Grammy Award-winning Sono Luminus, a record label in Northern Virginia specializing in classical and jazz music. Your email address will not be published. I wondered how he, as a senior NCO in a highly specialized unit, felt about having cadets around. Other courses attended include the U.S. Army Airborne School, Air Assault School, Combative Level 2, Master Resiliency Trainers Course, Battle Staff Course, First Sergeants Course, and the United States Army Force-Management Course. Unprofessional. Cadet Physical Program requirements still remain a priority April 1, 2020. My CWO put him in his place and ask what would this cadet' commanding officer would think of his conduct and told him to leave. The United States Military Academy (USMA), also known metonymically as West Point or simply as Army, is a United States service academy in West Point, New York.It was originally established as a fort, since it sits on strategic high ground overlooking the Hudson River with a scenic view, 50 miles (80 km) north of New York City. *This post originally appeard The Havok Journal * U.S. Army photo by: Mike Strasser/ USMA Public Affairs He previously served as the NCOIC of supply at the U.S. Army School of Music. Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of If married his spouse is always addressed a "Lady so and so.". Death, disability, retirement, reassignment, or absence of the commander. the Armed Forces of the United States (Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, Coast Guard), the commissioned corps Plus, it's not typically possible for a Cadet to be a " regularly assigned member" of any unit other than their school unit. Thank you! Providing innovative solutions and discoveries through international collaborations with leading academic departments, research centers, and industry. Master Sergeant Loy Song has played in the Concert Band and Jazz Knights trumpet sections, was a founding member and lead singer of the Benny Havens Band, and is now a member of the Support Staff. The Army is always evolving but power bitches have always been around, we just don't frag them as we used to. Your attitude will get you relegated to a Quonset hut in BFE. The garrison supports a base population of over 16,500 Soldiers, Civilians, Family Members, and Contractors as well as supporting over 40,000 retirees in the area. Practice ought to comport with policy. Technically. Sir. Serving the Rugged Professional", Survivor Outreach Services | Total Army Sponsorship | Safety, Human Resources | Civilian Expeditionary Workforce, U.S. Army Environmental Command | Assistant Secretary of the Army for Installations, Energy & Environment, HOSPITAL - Keller Army Community Hospital, Military Police and Religous Support Personnel, U.S Army MEDDAC- Keller Army Community Hospital, U.S Army DENTAC- West Point Dental Activity, United States Military Academy at West Point, Assistant Secretary of the Army for Installations, Energy & Environment. It's often hard to find but its often the real truth on a subject especially if it's being spoon fed to you in briefs and media. That is why cadets dont go to parade rest while talking to NCOs. Don't assume a damn thing, if a young NCO or Soldier tells you he "thinks" the vehicle is ready or has a full tank of fuel, hand him a long stick, send him back to the Motor Pool, have him put the stick into the fuel tank and bring back said stick with fuel on it, that way both of you will now KNOW that the vehicle is fueled. It is not just West Point cadets who outrank NCO's. So cadets are included in the definition. We have other job description s (stores /rations handling.. what that person is responsible for , order for commissary ration/breakdown The better we helped him to understand the less he has to look for answers. Command Sergeant Major Fraser awards and decorations include: Meritorious Service Medal (1 SOLC, 1OLC), Army Commendation Medal (2 OLC), Army Achievement Medal (1 SOLC, 4 OLC), Presidential Unit Citation, Joint Meritorious Unit, Army Superior Unit, Army Good Conduct Medal (Numeral 6) Defense Service Medal, Kosovo Campaign Ribbon, Global War on Terrorism Expeditionary Medal, Global War on Terrorism Service Medal, Korean Defense Service Medal, Noncommissioned Officers Professional Development Ribbon (Numeral 5), Armed Forces Service Medal, Military Outstanding Volunteer Service Medal, Army Service Ribbon, Overseas Service Ribbons (Numeral 3), NATO Medal, Drill Sergeant Identification Badge, Drivers Badge, German Schuetzenschnur Marksmanship Award (Silver), a recipient of the Honorable Order of Saint Barbara, the Noble Patron of Honor, the Martyrdom of Saint Maurice, the COL Robert L. Manning Achievement Medal, and the Order of Horatio Gates Bronze Medal. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. I think that it would be a huge step in the right direction for the ROTC BNs to send their CDTs to their gaining units with an LOI/MOU pinned to their chest (Im sure ROTC has probably published guidance along those lines, but Ive never seen it) so that those commanders will have some idea what to do with those CDTs when they get there. Your email address will not be published. Command Sergeant Major Fraser has a daughter, Talia. They dont commission until CW2 but I guess they dont really count as Officers either. Or a sergeant major for that matter. For some reason a lot of angry major S3 types fall into this category. Command Sergeant Major Fraser military and civilian education include: Basic Leader Course, Advanced Leaders Course, Senior Leaders Course, US Army Drill Sergeant Academy, First Sergeant Course, United States Army Sergeants Major Academy, Garrison Pre-Command Course, Battalion Pre-Command Course, Command Sergeant Major Development Program, Master Resilience Training, HR Plans and Operations Course, Sexual Harassment and Sexual Assault Course, Battle Staff Course, Postal Supervisor, Postal Operations Course, Modern Army Combative Level I and II, Total Army Instructor Course, Equal Opportunity Leader Course, and Combat Lifesaver Course. Mr. Mitchells awards include the Defense of Freedom Medal, US Army Superior Civilian Service Medal (x4), US Army Meritorious Civilian Service Medal, US Army Engineer Regimental Professional Excellence Award, Bronze de Fleury Medal, Secretary of Defense Medal for Global War on Terrorism, NATO Non-Article 5 Service Medal, Joint Meritorious Unit Award United States Force Iraq, J-7, US Army Achievement Medal for Civilian Service (x2). While in New York, she won second prize in the Alexander and Buono International Flute Competition. As far as I know there are no CTLT positions in combat zones. The authors creative example about an NCO looking at a lugnut and an officer looking at the whole vehicle is nuts (bad humor). The smart LT listens to his/her NCO and seeks counsel from him/her. Sergeant Major MaryKay Messenger is a native of Newburgh, New York, and a well-known soloist throughout the Hudson Valley region, performing classical, Broadway, jazz, and popular music. And keep your mouth open and eyes covered with your hands when it or any other explosion goes off near you. I see that USMA had a proud communist recently graduate, he might as well spit in my face and all other better warriors than myself before me. Your comment reeks of arrogance. Indeed, a cadet assigned as a visitor to a regular unit on active duty would not be under disciplinary sanctions by his training command and institution if s/he were under sanctions the cadet would be disqualified from visiting. Cadets are never saluted. Its like my father (retired CW3) taught me; " I don't have to respect you but I HAVE TO RESPECT your rank.". While in Iraq in 2003-04 we got a batch of 12 west pointer kids and more than half were momma's boys and short of a huge shift in their personality and ideals, they're too far gone in the head to be respectable leaders. As a CDT, I was generally treated pretty well at my unit, this could have been because I was Mustang Officer in training and a former NCO, and that my CO was part of the cadre at Western Illinois, so she made it a point to assign me to a vacant officer position, in this case kind of a huge assignment as the Maintenance PLT LDR at a MED Truck CO, whereas most units dont even know what to do with a CDT. Assumption of command under these conditions is announced per paragraph 2-5. She created a public event called "Play Day," which received press from Time Out New York, Gothamist, and various other New York City media outlets. Staff Sergeant Taylor also served as a trombone player with the 323d Army Band "Fort Sam's Own" at Fort Sam Houston. When an NCO saluted me, I didn't just wave my hand at my cover to dismiss the salute, but "locked up" a little myself, acknowledged him with eye contact, and responded to any greeting. We need not be concerned about the proviso of either 2-15 or 2-16 as each applies to a Soldier under certain sanctions of discipline. Both preflight and flight school were run under the traditional cadet model of upperclass and lowerclass where upperclassmen were responsible for much of the military training and discipline of the lowerclassmen. Very interesting. Only the pay grade the cadet holds. Actually, cadets do fill positions in the National Guard in the Simultaneous Membership Program and can be assigned to an O-2 slot for a period of years. He is actually correct, SMP cadets serve in ARNG units in the rank of cadet. I think the part of the reg people have over looked is "the senior regularly assigned Army Soldier will assume command". I am acting PL of my platoon because we dont have a 2LT. I have to say that I got a little bit of vindication when I went back to obtain some records from my old guard unit. Per the order, they are not entitled to a salute. She received a Bachelor of Music Education from Indiana University, where she studied both trumpet and voice. While being true you must also realize there is a need for Commissioned Officers as well as Non Commissioned Officers. Somewhat surprised by this, and thinking back to my own experiences in CTLT, I asked why he felt that way. Eventually reclassifying as a MLRS/HIMARS Fire Direction Specialist, he would serve the Field Artillery Community in many positions ranging from Teams Chief to DIVARTY Command Sergeant Major. That one NCO who doesn't give a crap about you is the one you should be talking to. You know this, you are assigned as whatever rank you have in the guard. Command Sergeant Major: CSM Scott Drewes: The West Point Band (also known as the U.S. Military Academy Band or USMA Band) is the U.S. Army's oldest active band and the oldest unit at the United States Military Academy, traces its roots to the American Revolutionary War. Youre right, Sergeant, a West Point cadet DOES outrank you. Dont demand respect earn it. CSM Cravens military education includes all levels of the Non-Commissioned Officer Education System culminating with the United States Army Sergeants Major Academy. So you are always busy and have something to do. CTLT happens in all kinds of units, both in the US and OCONUS. Appreciate your reply. First, what an insult to a SNCO that instead of a 1SG with 10 plus years of experience leading soldiers in the absence of officers A Cadet would be next in succession. The ones that get emotional about my post will reply as expected and miss the lesson altogether because they've been hard wired to respond that way. In flight school cadets qualified for flight pay in addition to their regular pay. GO ARMY! They act only under the auspices of their supervising physician. Every. It was advanced pay so to speak. Maj. Roderick Taylor (USAG West Point Command Sergeant Major) October 14, 2016. You see there is a important reason that the strap be properly secured to the six foot ground rod driven into the ground. Why hasn't a single one of you been taught that humility, respect and honor flows both ways but in different fashions? 2LT Eisenhower, he was a 6' 3" tall man who was assigned to our platoon in 1992. Medical students are not in this hierarchy at all except they answer to doctors and do only what a doctor tells them to, under that doctors supervision. Allan intervened on Poe's behalf one last time and used his considerable influence . We get people whose ideals are from left field and seem to think the Army is their play ground. Infantry Veterans/Retirees cluster together on various online formats and we're very concerned what direction things are going and it has nothing to do with President Trump, I've seen what a prelude to war is twice in my lifetime and I'm seeing another one but in a slower manner. It would have sent enough juice thru the not yet graduate nor commissioned idiots heart to stop. Hell, we even had SGMs who wouldnt butter bars and 1LTs, unless you earned it by being high speed and they knew it. Comments will be moderated before posting to ensure logical, professional, and courteous application to article content. Eight cadet-athletes were selected to leadership positions and will assume their duties Aug. 10. I felt honored to have him there. You'll be hearing from us soon! IQ averages are around 120 for most Grunts and for those that don't track demographics, that's a huge jump from national averages. Other than those few, I feel as though the future is bright. This regulation shows that cadets rank after commissioned and warrant officers, but before NCOs. Long story short: Years of hands-on experience trumps reading an instruction manual, This applies in every situation and every single time. Thought about it and stored it away and drove on. Command Sergeant Major Fraser previous positions and assignments include G1 Sergeant Major, 13th Expeditionary Sustainment Command, Fort Hood, Texas; First Sergeant, Bravo Company and Reception Transition Unit, Fort Benning, Georgia; Senior Human Resources Sergeant, 501st Sustainment Brigade, Camp Carroll, Korea; Senior Human Resources Sergeant, 1st ABCT, Fort Riley, Kansas; Battalion S1 NCOIC, 2-4 FAR, Fort Sill, Oklahoma; Senior Drill Sergeant, B 2-39 INF REGT, Fort Jackson, South Carolina; Brigade S3 Operations Sergeant and Customer Support Branch, 1st PERSCOM, Schwetzingen, Germany; Personnel Administrative Sergeant, 87th CSSB, Fort Stewart, Georgia; Assistant Brigade Personnel Sergeant, Personnel Administrative NCO and Training Room NCO, 1st Brigade, Fort Stewart, Georgia. Will that is incorrect. Before anyone attacks me, I am a prior Army SSG who is now a MSIV Cadet (Active duty and Branched). And get to know your PBO very well! Staff Sergeant Megan Cardone joined the West Point Band in March of 2011. In respect of ROTC, the R stipulates that only a contracted cadet in ROTC fits the definition I presented. The cadet never will outrank a sergeant first class, master sergeant first sergeant sergeant major etc. Superior to a mere cunning, lazy enlisted man. Specifically, it allows them to try their hands at officership, and to get a feel for the kinds of officer/NCO relationships that are essential to the success of our Army. Good Grunts care less for their next promotion beyond making sure our records are correct. Tell the NCO's that you don't want to seem like a dick that you're being so picky on things, you're just building trust so later you know who's good to go and what each of our strengths are and that goes for the young LT as well (that's called humility and the men will understand because it's fair). As that was a long time ago, my memories of the experience were that it was the best and the worst of both worlds. Almost, like her husband, an officer and a lady. A straight up lie from a boy who thinks book smarts makes him am expert in my mos. Mr. Mitchell is married to his wife Jill and has three children, Connor, Fisher and Sophia. Battalion Command Sergeant Major, 1BN, 1st Regiment, USCC at United States Military Academy at West Point United States Military Academy at West Point View profile View profile badges I was an enlisted man and my rank at the time of my discharge in the late Summer of 1989 was Sergeant E5. Still though, the cadet might be assigned to the unit based on the Modified Table of Organization and Equipment (MTO) to a non cadet billet. Everybody read it. I thought this is a very well written article. While CTLT is a useful and important mentorship and developmental activity, many units see CTLT as a drag, and dealing with cadets as a hassle. Upon the successful completion of flight school cadets received their flight wings and were commissioned as second lieutenants and incured an additional four year service commitment. I really liked the story and learned something as well having been a former SMP Cadet before I commissioned. (Contracted ROTC cadets are MS III and MS IV, overwhelmingly and predominantly.) Medical students do not do anything on their own authority, and it would be illegal as they are unlicensed. Prior to serving in the Army, he was a high school percussion instructor and earned a Bachelor of Arts in music from Truman State University in Missouri. A CSM outranks a SPC, but you never see the latter salute the former. I work with my leadership and learn from them and they help to shape me to become a good officer. Conditions is announced per paragraph 2-5: Years of hands-on experience trumps reading an instruction manual this. 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