if you were to use this type of ferrule, you might choose one that has a 13/64ths opening on the top, and a 14/64ths opening on the bottom. Because Ritz was not an engineer, any more than Creusevaut or Plantet were (although the latter may have been a competent mechanic) it was thought that the extension pole should be just that, a large diameter pole of slow taper. Chris acquired one shortly thereafter. You may, or may not, as a rod designer, wish to achieve either, but probably not both! Some use this to define the average rod speed. F E Thomas. The 6 for the Hex the 7 for streamers. Only lost 1/2 inch in rod length. that'd be super! if you don't have ~ 1/64 drop over the ferrule it isn't a true taper. My first few 8013's have 13/64 ferrules and one of them broke off INSIDE of the ferrule. The only question that puzzles me is why on earth he thought this might be important for fishing the Risle, which is hardly the Tay. My 2 cents. Contact us to learn more about how we can help! No Question about it, John Pickard. These are our limited edition models, only released every few years. The tip tapers are the only redeeming feature of his designs, and now you tell me they were not deliberate, I'll burn my copy of "The Book" immediately, at least I shall be spared tolerating toadying references to "Garry" when ever (very seldom, in fact) I refer to it! This is a set of 13-14/64 step down ferrules. Thanks for posting the Dickerson 861711 taper. 25 0.142 158834 They would be, Heavy butt section, Light butt section, heavy tip, light tip, Parabolic (heavy in the middle) and the hinge (light in the middle). 0.266 . Very similar to the 8013 action ( my favorite rod ) but in the 4w class, mission accomplished. It's the important half, too, the other one is less important than line weight, I refer you to the basic laws of aerodynamics, this post is already too long! Dickerson Rods. Find great quality fly fishing rods at an affordable price that fits any budget. I deducted .005 for the varnish. These were Bailey Woods stepdown ferrules. (Greg Reeves), TipsHome - What'sNew - Tips - Articles - Tutorials - Contraptions - Contributors - Search Site - ContactUs - TaperArchives My intention is not to criticize you, but to try to reveal the "big picture" when looking at tapers and stress curves. (Larry Swearingen), Sorry about the double question, original question appeared lost in cyberspace. If you like I can send you a compensated SLT and you will see what I mean. And you are of course correct in pointing out that stress numbers means nothing without the particulars of the line weight and length. maybe someone else has one! Then the part of the ferrule that fits on the bamboo inside the male slide 'stepped down' to .187" ID, or 12/64. However if we can define specific regions (tip, middle, butt) and understand the effect of removing or adding material in these areas. by wefishcane 05/08/09 02:55, Post (four piece) carbon fiber fly rod blank $85.00 13' 7/8wt. On a theoretical straight line or linear taper the rod would load progressively down to the handle. "Proper amounts" and "correct points" are hardly scientifically precise terms, so I regret that I don't know what you might mean. CANE RODS Tips & Tapers by Ray Gould has another version that averages out the step down. You don't find a need for a 7'6" 5wt on your streams. I will assume that you have calculated those several effects correctly, although I see no details. .but like most opinions you will find that many on this list (and in the world at large) are not going to agree with you. 0.229 And, it's true, if you were really screwed and couldn't get a Dickerson, and were absolutely forced to rough it with a Payne, I do think you could manage to get by without shedding too many tears. 0.214 Yes you do have the seemingly limitless variation of moving the point or points and amount of material added or removed along the rod length. So the question - I have been trying to define the specific characteristic that each basic deviation from the SLT imparts to the action of the rod. Winston Rods. In reading my post the tone seems a little harsh. The 6611 has a swelled butt unlike many versions I've seen and is an especially sweet rod. A taper is a fishing rod term that defines the rod length, optimal line weight, and rod flex action. CSE made the ferrule for me. The rest of the shown increase is, in my opinion, just for looks. At The Airport. 20 0.131 154180 (Tom Smithwick), See what Steve says, lots of people (Americans ? anyway that's how I do it. 90 0.329 The part of the ferrule that fits on the bamboo on the female side (butt side) had an inside diameter (ID) of .221", or 14/64. Lyle Dickerson (1892-1981) has long been known as a pioneer in rodbuilding, due partly to his use of machinery in production but primarily appreciated by fishermen for many of his fast and accurate taper designs. (Larry Puckett), If you look at page 104 of the Dickerson book you will see his die set. There should be 20 measurements not 19. I have also noticed the mention of a Dickerson 8014GS. A rod from John is the next best thing to the real thing. The same can be said for the EC Powell taper in Hexrod (the 7'6" 2pc 6wt in the archives) which IS A B-9 TAPER; just look at the average slope from stations from the 80" mark thru 0". (Bret Reiter), I call this one a seven too. CSE makes and sells this kind of "step-down" ferrule, from tubing, as Dickerson did. If you 'hide' columns you can then compare and easily see differences in any combination of selected rod tapers. (Frank Stetzer, Hexrod, Taper Archive, Rodmakers Archive), I'm grateful to you for that point because a recent post referred to straight taper Garrisons and I wonder if he meant straight stress "curves". Measurements under the handle are obviously estimates. 15 0.1115 Also, your shorthand doesn't describe where these changes take place, which is as equally as important as the changes themselves. 55 0.2275 (Henry Mitchell), In Dickerson-speak, it would be a size 13 on the butt, and a 12 on the tip. 95 0.3435 (Tom Bowden). the all-around trout rod out here in the Western US. You have a rod with a taper of approximately 0.0028 per inch. 7613: 7'6" 2/2 5 wt. In fact, I used this taper, hollow built, when taking the FFF casting certification test. Some rods, I think, have a regional quality to them, too, and just holding them gives one a kind of flavor of a particular time and place. (Frank Stetzer, Hexrod, Taper Archive, Rodmakers Archive), As far as being a Straight horizontal Stress Curve it makes NO difference what the rod is as long as the conditions produce a SHSC. All of which indicates to me that there is not one 'correct' straight line taper. Besides, he's a fun guy to chat with about almost anything to do with fly fishing and the outdoors. The butt has a long flex area from 45"- 75" and a butt swell. Is there anyone who could help us finding the right data conserning the taper. 15 .128 .278 (Robin Haywood), Is 8'4" a bit long for a 4 wt.? Gift of Heidi Bedford, Yearc. There seems to be a misunderstanding about the results this yields. The fact that a rod has a straight taper does not tell us if the stress curve is flat or slopes up or down. The stepdown in the male is from a 14/64 ID where the ferrule initially goes over the bamboo and steps down to 12/64 ID for the bamboo inside of the male slide. Yes. Talk to any of the 'boo boys who used to work at Winston, and they'll tell you Winston tapers are basically straight (I got that straight from Jeff Walker). Just looking for a taper that accommodates the step down ferrule nicely. 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Special Note on this rod/ All the snake guides on the tip are 2/0 and the mid are 1/0 with a 8 stripper on butt section. That's so the swell is still in the action length. Rod makers history, value guide and general discussion, Link to Orvis Database by Greg Reynolds, Link to EC Powell's Mechanics of fly casting. To the right of that you'll see there is a column allowing for varnish. The Lovely Reed by Jack Howell has numbers for the 1949 and 1951 versions. Different tools for doing different things. It is my belief that there are only seven truly different tapers available as a base to design rods from. If you want the rod to have the same characteristics as before the change, the you must add some cane to the mid/butt of the rod to maintain the balance that was there before. (Mark Wendt), Was the varnish allowance of .004 already subtracted from the numbers for the 661510, or does it need to be done? Actually I feel an increase of .030 would be sufficient. I think the 8014GS is up to the task. 0.144 I have fished some pretty big water with this rod and it has served me very well. If you're willing to accept our assumptions about varnish thickness and how to interpolate between measurements, then the table on the last page is the one to use. 0.093 This means that the finished rod will cast like a ONE PIECE SLT rod. (Robin Haywood). He has some of the original taper ledgers from Dickerson's shop and can clone a rod as well as anyone. You simply have to then adjust the rate of change of the taper - the rise. (David Atchison), Wondered if anyone had the taper for the Dickerson 8012 laying around. Its the old problem, everyone wants to tell us what they think the answer is, but they never want to tell us why in terms unequivocal and universal! Just as the "super Z's" have a female barrel that is 2/64's larger than the bamboo sleeve or male insert, it is the same, but opposite with the Dickerson style "stepped" ferrules. The conversion file will convert tapers for Solid and Fluted rods for quad, penta, hepta, and oct construction. 0.153 From 80 to 85, there is an increase of ~.070. 0.206 I brought my recently acquired 861711D to Luray, Virginia to show/share with Chris at his rod shop open house some years ago. (John Channer), I have never been able to describe to anyone else how a rod feels to them. Unknown, so I would hesitate to speculate. by SpringCreek 06/12/16 10:45, Post Powered by Shopify. The two different numbers are for the tip and the butt of the rod. (Mark Dyba), Heh, nothing wrong with that. You are correct, this is just a way of evaluating the effects of adding or subtracting material from different areas along a rods length. How would you characterize their casting characteristics? 2 wt 0.0585 0 0.068 It is truely a wet fly action - great for those soft hacles. OK, the rod was a Paul Young Perfectionist. (four piece) carbon fiber spey blank. This gives a quick, accurate impression as to what type of taper the rod is made from (straight, parabolic, compound, etc.) This is one of those bio-feedback things you must be self taught IMHO. (Greg Reeves), Something ain't quite right there. As a rule I only make #5 rods (like Marinaro) and the bulk of these are less than 7'6". 0.369 The 8013 is a faster rod with a stiffer tip which makes it capable of handling more line at a greater distance, the downside is that it wont fish as well up close. 0.360 (Tim Pembroke). Rod Selection - Dickerson Tapers, < Home < Tips Area < Rod Selection < Dickerson Tapers, Can someone help me find the taper for the Dickerson 7613. I would love to have the opportunity to cast my perfectionist (or any one of the several I've made for people) against any 7 1/2-foot 5-weight of his choice and compare line speed, distance, accuracy, or any other criterion he would like. Its a very useful exercise. 2023 American Museum Of Fly Fishing. All Dickerson copies include Dickerson aesthetics, blued ferrules & an agate stripping guide if desired. by JohnI 05/09/09 04:06, Post The line was a Scientific Angler's WF7 in their XXD (distance) format. This is, of course, wildly unsatisfactory, but all attempts to reduce the problem seem to last for only a short time. So now where do you add or subtract material and what effect will it have on the rod. If you are designing a rod based on a linear taper and you want to make it a 3 or 4 piece instead of a 2, how would this be taken into account? (Harry Boyd). Not that I very much care, these people have a perfect right to their willful ignorance. I measured the rod after seeing David Ray's posting of an 861711 in his taper library that is accessed from Hexrod. So the data exists both ways in the spreadsheet. This rod consists of medium tempered cane constructed in a 3x3 node pattern with Dickerson tan wraps and black tipping. by Morten 06/12/16 08:37, Post 40 .202 .375 Not too many folks consider these mediocre. There is a view that all the great tapers have already been invented. I have not tried it with an 8 weight but I will as soon as I get back from Texas, ya'll. To accomplish this I have added bamboo to compensate for the ferrule and the Varnish & Guides.. 0.232 If you are looking for a Dickerson rod or have one that you would like to sell please contact us. 1 2 3 And well worth the little time it takes to execute. 40 0.184 Right, I've printed that off and made a brief study. by Mike McGuire 06/16/16 23:29, Post 75 0.279 126179 (Paul Blakley). One of our longstanding rod models with classic cane color and a slightly more moderate action. Somehow the "D" was either left off by me in the original posting or was lost in translation to David's site. Regarding Chris Bogart's Dickerson. Yes, there are specific applications for a 7'6" 5wt here in Michigan. Spotted lanternfly is an invasive plant hopper native to eastern Asia. All rights reserved. Acclaimed as one of the finest rod tapers ever conceived. Hence the short butt long tip "BSAS" conformation of some of the better iterations. 0.102 - Led Zeppelin, 10 Years Gone. 30 0.155 Can't remember which is which without looking in the book, but one is lighter than the other. is obviously your opinion, which you are entitled to. .266@20 75 0.2855 Brewer Rods These rods use tried and true taper designs as a starting point. 0 .326 .180 You can easily introduce straight line tapers as well. One from the 1950s, one from the 1970s, and Russ Gooding's Golden Witch version. ever wonder why all those 10 1/2/64 Heddons broke at the female ferrule? Orvis passed the 60,000 bamboo rods made number quite some time back and of course is still making them. Experience the difference of a Mystic Fly Rod on your next expedition. by mosquito 05/08/09 09:33, Post So far everyone that has put the numbers up on Russ Goodings 7613 LT has listed 19 measurements. It was considerably more effortless to use than my colleagues 8'6'' to 9' supposedly #4 carbons. Variations below this point have more to do with the character of the rod than the line weight. Stress curves are the only tool I have seen that give you a visual image of exactly what you have changed and the consequences of that action. (Robin Haywood). When fishing bamboo for trout I believe the "best" length is an 8 foot rod. 10 0.097 It throws up some very interesting facts. The 7613 is a wonderfully versatile taper, the rod is light in the hand, and is at home casting sizes #6 Muddlers to #16 Dry flies. by trouttrapper 06/12/16 09:32, Post 45 .212 under reel seat, The numbers listed below are from Banjos' rod, 0 .084 .238 For anyone who hasn't done so, it is a really simple and useful exercise to combine tapers for rods of the same length and line weight in a spreadsheet such as excel and make a line chart of them. The swell starts at the 80" mark which will be under the cork assuming I have a grip and an insert roughly 10" in length. Dickerson 8014 Fred Bears Rod, 2606 -1. Conversely, the .202 is at the low end of fit for a 14/64. I own a Thramer 6611 and 7012 HB tapers, both with Thramer cosmetics and they are both awesome rods. John Pickard only way to go. Just for once I'm going to recommend a step down ferrule! The biggest discrepancies are around the ferrules, and you'll notice in many "classic tapers" flattening of the slope into and out of the ferrules - presumably to make fitting a tapered peg into a cylindrical hole easier. (If memory serves me right Tony Young sells step down ferrules for Dickerson rods, so you may try that. As Stephen points out if you can cast the rods then graph them out you really start to understand how it all comes together. (Robin Haywood), I find this a very interesting. As Will predicts, this is a very pleasant and easy rod to cast. The trouble is, really, that I know there are people out there who really do understand taper design, it's getting them to talk to us about it thats the problem. Listed as 7 wt but that seems kinda heavy? 80 0.296 121171 Most of the classic rodmakers continually "fudged" their tapers over the years (sometimes unintentionally due to machine and pattern wear, and sometimes deliberately). (Robin Haywood). As this was my favorite rod, much foul language followed. I'm off to the antipodes next year, and I'm hoping that the 7'6'' #5 that should be a #4 will go with me. Dickerson 8015 Guide Special By Jim Schaaf, 2458 - 11. Both tapers conform to the shape broadly called parabolic and thus will have the shortcomings that all rods of this misconceived taper share. As long as a maker includes the correct ferrule drop, Dickerson tapers are no more difficult to make than most others. This first set was posted on The Classic Fly Rod Forum by Jeff Fultz. Rod making, restoration, repairs and discussion on those related topics concerning bamboo rods. The American Museum of Fly Fishing Collection Gift of . 10 .112 .262 Another maker who knows Dickerson tapers very well is Rick Cunningham. But more relevant and to the point, I bought a single tip Dickerson 7613 from John and he recently provided me with a second tip from pre-embargo cane and original Dickerson hardware, and the action is a dead ringer for the original Dickerson 7613. The mid sections are very different. 1951Accession No.1987.010.024Made byNARMCO, The American Museum Of Fly Fishing They are very nice 5 weights ( IMHO it is THE 8 5 wt). Hardy Fly Fishing Rod Trout Fishing Rods & Poles 8 Guides, Hardy Fly Reel Trout Fishing Reels, Hardy Trout Fishing Rods & Poles, Again, there is slight flattening around the ferrule, and I suspect the measurement at 35" is due to machine operator error/technique rather than designed in. 30 .174 .322 If you add bamboo the the tip of the rod, you have changed its mass (MOI/MOE) relative to what it was. Is the 8013 just a 6" longer 7613 or what are the differences? Its just simply to do with maximum stiffness (IE minimum deflection) for a given material weight. It's a two piece, 8 foot five weight. If you would like to give Michigan a try, let me know. by avyoung 06/12/16 21:25, Post It is, literally, the shape of the rod itself and determines how . It made a fine rod, but you have to smooth out the taper leading into and out of the 45 and 50" stations as the rod was designed for a step down ferrule. I like to look at the taper itself and how it compares to a straight line taper, the stress curve, the tip deflection under loading, the shape the rod assumes under maximum loading, the rod weight and the center of gravity. (Lew) Parks. A significant part of that application are the prejudices of the person who is going to be using it. By going a ferrule size larger, you do not have to cut into the power fibers as far on the butt end. Station Diameter 2 piece. Dave Norling, Rush River Rods, makes a stepdown 13/12 ferrule, the only size stepdown that he offers , that works very well for this taper. The ID of the female ferrule where it accepts the male slide is .187", or 12/64. This will be three tips (light, heavy and SLT), three butts (light, heavy, SLT), a parabolic and a hinge. (Mark Wendt), At least according to Jack Howell's measured tapers in "The Lovely Reed". 0.308 Can someone email me the taper or point me in the right direction? Dickerson R.W. I Have commented additionally, if trivially in a private post on the other points. As you know line weight do vary so maybe your 8 wt is my 7 wt, or something like that? Easy casting and very versatile. Grayrock 96. Dies are not so easy to make that he would have probably have made an entire offset set. (Tom Peters), 0.066 Its definitely a bigger water rod that the 7613. My original Dickerson is an 861711D dated 1936. (Todd Talsma), I had rather hoped that I might finesse out of someone just what these specific requirements might be. The trouble is, that's all it does! Measured over varnish. Let's be honest about this. But if you decide to tell the world that this is therefore the right way to design a fishing rod then I'm going to disagree with you!" well there is your answer. More than an eight weight is required to handle the largest of flies. There are about 4 to 5 version of the 7013, I like the 1970 version the best. 5 0.088 112541 Consider one or the other of these two if your rod maker intends to fit the rod with step down ferrules, since there is a .010" step down across the ferrule stations. 15 0.115 163502 He was known for using only one or two strips from a culm, a time-consuming and expensive way to build rods. For each size ferrule there is a specific range of dimensions that will fit inside each size. Ralph Tuttle did the actual spreadsheet work. 65 0.248 134403 I believe he told me he placed his roll casting hinge 10"-15" above the handle, depending on rod length. Besides that, he's extremely knowledgeable about Dickerson, is the present owner of the Dickerson rod shop, and has an extreme reverence for Lyle's creations and tapers. Rod makers history, value guide and general discussion, Link to Orvis Database by Greg Reynolds, Link to EC Powell's Mechanics of fly casting. The Dickerson 7612 taper a smooth medium action 4 wt that is 7 1/2 long in a 2pc. Over the time I have made rods. I search on Google and didn't come up with anything. Common sense tells me to leave the middle of the taper . (Steve Weiss). 'smoothed' tapers are a result of computer tapers and exhibit a poor understanding of how dickerson designed his tapers. 40 0.180 146694 The butts are just not stiff enough, although, in some, the tips are quite satisfactory. Cynically, but I may not have entirely given up, yet. The 7012 HB is super light, and can cast with the best of them. Latterly, they considered that a fiberglass butt section would solve all their troubles. Chris likes it for Smallmouth on the Shenandoah. 7 wt 0.0790 85 0.296 138357 Thanks. This taper, starting with a .068 tip dimension, makes a great middle distance 8' WF6 or 7-1/2' 5wt. November - May by avyoung 06/16/16 18:33, Post (Will McMurrey), A picture says a thousand words. 0.288 Garrison's are straight except for the last 15 inches which he "fudged" to accommodate one of the standard tip top sizes. The stepped down portion of the male is 2/64's smaller than the sleeve. A Powell B taper by definition is a straight taper. I would agree that one system is not all encompassing and I agree with the selection of evaluating criteria you outlined. 0.128 I would suggest you should RESPECT the man (as well as EC Powell and others) who made contributions to providing us all with tools to understand and continue to develop taper design (Hexrod being one, a powerful and easily applied tool, I believe based on Garrison's math). 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if you were to use this type of ferrule, you might choose one that has a 13/64ths opening on the top, and a 14/64ths opening on the bottom. Because Ritz was not an engineer, any more than Creusevaut or Plantet were (although the latter may have been a competent mechanic) it was thought that the extension pole should be just that, a large diameter pole of slow taper. Chris acquired one shortly thereafter. You may, or may not, as a rod designer, wish to achieve either, but probably not both! Some use this to define the average rod speed. F E Thomas. The 6 for the Hex the 7 for streamers. Only lost 1/2 inch in rod length. that'd be super! if you don't have ~ 1/64 drop over the ferrule it isn't a true taper. My first few 8013's have 13/64 ferrules and one of them broke off INSIDE of the ferrule. The only question that puzzles me is why on earth he thought this might be important for fishing the Risle, which is hardly the Tay. My 2 cents. Contact us to learn more about how we can help! No Question about it, John Pickard. These are our limited edition models, only released every few years. The tip tapers are the only redeeming feature of his designs, and now you tell me they were not deliberate, I'll burn my copy of "The Book" immediately, at least I shall be spared tolerating toadying references to "Garry" when ever (very seldom, in fact) I refer to it! This is a set of 13-14/64 step down ferrules. Thanks for posting the Dickerson 861711 taper. 25 0.142 158834 They would be, Heavy butt section, Light butt section, heavy tip, light tip, Parabolic (heavy in the middle) and the hinge (light in the middle). 0.266 . Very similar to the 8013 action ( my favorite rod ) but in the 4w class, mission accomplished. It's the important half, too, the other one is less important than line weight, I refer you to the basic laws of aerodynamics, this post is already too long! Dickerson Rods. Find great quality fly fishing rods at an affordable price that fits any budget. I deducted .005 for the varnish. These were Bailey Woods stepdown ferrules. (Greg Reeves), TipsHome - What'sNew - Tips - Articles - Tutorials - Contraptions - Contributors - Search Site - ContactUs - TaperArchives My intention is not to criticize you, but to try to reveal the "big picture" when looking at tapers and stress curves. (Larry Swearingen), Sorry about the double question, original question appeared lost in cyberspace. If you like I can send you a compensated SLT and you will see what I mean. And you are of course correct in pointing out that stress numbers means nothing without the particulars of the line weight and length. maybe someone else has one! Then the part of the ferrule that fits on the bamboo inside the male slide 'stepped down' to .187" ID, or 12/64. However if we can define specific regions (tip, middle, butt) and understand the effect of removing or adding material in these areas. by wefishcane 05/08/09 02:55, Post (four piece) carbon fiber fly rod blank $85.00 13' 7/8wt. On a theoretical straight line or linear taper the rod would load progressively down to the handle. "Proper amounts" and "correct points" are hardly scientifically precise terms, so I regret that I don't know what you might mean. CANE RODS Tips & Tapers by Ray Gould has another version that averages out the step down. You don't find a need for a 7'6" 5wt on your streams. I will assume that you have calculated those several effects correctly, although I see no details. .but like most opinions you will find that many on this list (and in the world at large) are not going to agree with you. 0.229 And, it's true, if you were really screwed and couldn't get a Dickerson, and were absolutely forced to rough it with a Payne, I do think you could manage to get by without shedding too many tears. 0.214 Yes you do have the seemingly limitless variation of moving the point or points and amount of material added or removed along the rod length. So the question - I have been trying to define the specific characteristic that each basic deviation from the SLT imparts to the action of the rod. Winston Rods. In reading my post the tone seems a little harsh. The 6611 has a swelled butt unlike many versions I've seen and is an especially sweet rod. A taper is a fishing rod term that defines the rod length, optimal line weight, and rod flex action. CSE made the ferrule for me. The rest of the shown increase is, in my opinion, just for looks. At The Airport. 20 0.131 154180 (Tom Smithwick), See what Steve says, lots of people (Americans ? anyway that's how I do it. 90 0.329 The part of the ferrule that fits on the bamboo on the female side (butt side) had an inside diameter (ID) of .221", or 14/64. Lyle Dickerson (1892-1981) has long been known as a pioneer in rodbuilding, due partly to his use of machinery in production but primarily appreciated by fishermen for many of his fast and accurate taper designs. (Larry Puckett), If you look at page 104 of the Dickerson book you will see his die set. There should be 20 measurements not 19. I have also noticed the mention of a Dickerson 8014GS. A rod from John is the next best thing to the real thing. The same can be said for the EC Powell taper in Hexrod (the 7'6" 2pc 6wt in the archives) which IS A B-9 TAPER; just look at the average slope from stations from the 80" mark thru 0". (Bret Reiter), I call this one a seven too. CSE makes and sells this kind of "step-down" ferrule, from tubing, as Dickerson did. If you 'hide' columns you can then compare and easily see differences in any combination of selected rod tapers. (Frank Stetzer, Hexrod, Taper Archive, Rodmakers Archive), I'm grateful to you for that point because a recent post referred to straight taper Garrisons and I wonder if he meant straight stress "curves". Measurements under the handle are obviously estimates. 15 0.1115 Also, your shorthand doesn't describe where these changes take place, which is as equally as important as the changes themselves. 55 0.2275 (Henry Mitchell), In Dickerson-speak, it would be a size 13 on the butt, and a 12 on the tip. 95 0.3435 (Tom Bowden). the all-around trout rod out here in the Western US. You have a rod with a taper of approximately 0.0028 per inch. 7613: 7'6" 2/2 5 wt. In fact, I used this taper, hollow built, when taking the FFF casting certification test. Some rods, I think, have a regional quality to them, too, and just holding them gives one a kind of flavor of a particular time and place. (Frank Stetzer, Hexrod, Taper Archive, Rodmakers Archive), As far as being a Straight horizontal Stress Curve it makes NO difference what the rod is as long as the conditions produce a SHSC. All of which indicates to me that there is not one 'correct' straight line taper. Besides, he's a fun guy to chat with about almost anything to do with fly fishing and the outdoors. The butt has a long flex area from 45"- 75" and a butt swell. Is there anyone who could help us finding the right data conserning the taper. 15 .128 .278 (Robin Haywood), Is 8'4" a bit long for a 4 wt.? Gift of Heidi Bedford, Yearc. There seems to be a misunderstanding about the results this yields. The fact that a rod has a straight taper does not tell us if the stress curve is flat or slopes up or down. The stepdown in the male is from a 14/64 ID where the ferrule initially goes over the bamboo and steps down to 12/64 ID for the bamboo inside of the male slide. Yes. Talk to any of the 'boo boys who used to work at Winston, and they'll tell you Winston tapers are basically straight (I got that straight from Jeff Walker). Just looking for a taper that accommodates the step down ferrule nicely. 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Special Note on this rod/ All the snake guides on the tip are 2/0 and the mid are 1/0 with a 8 stripper on butt section. That's so the swell is still in the action length. Rod makers history, value guide and general discussion, Link to Orvis Database by Greg Reynolds, Link to EC Powell's Mechanics of fly casting. To the right of that you'll see there is a column allowing for varnish. The Lovely Reed by Jack Howell has numbers for the 1949 and 1951 versions. Different tools for doing different things. It is my belief that there are only seven truly different tapers available as a base to design rods from. If you want the rod to have the same characteristics as before the change, the you must add some cane to the mid/butt of the rod to maintain the balance that was there before. (Mark Wendt), Was the varnish allowance of .004 already subtracted from the numbers for the 661510, or does it need to be done? Actually I feel an increase of .030 would be sufficient. I think the 8014GS is up to the task. 0.144 I have fished some pretty big water with this rod and it has served me very well. If you're willing to accept our assumptions about varnish thickness and how to interpolate between measurements, then the table on the last page is the one to use. 0.093 This means that the finished rod will cast like a ONE PIECE SLT rod. (Robin Haywood). He has some of the original taper ledgers from Dickerson's shop and can clone a rod as well as anyone. You simply have to then adjust the rate of change of the taper - the rise. (David Atchison), Wondered if anyone had the taper for the Dickerson 8012 laying around. Its the old problem, everyone wants to tell us what they think the answer is, but they never want to tell us why in terms unequivocal and universal! Just as the "super Z's" have a female barrel that is 2/64's larger than the bamboo sleeve or male insert, it is the same, but opposite with the Dickerson style "stepped" ferrules. The conversion file will convert tapers for Solid and Fluted rods for quad, penta, hepta, and oct construction. 0.153 From 80 to 85, there is an increase of ~.070. 0.206 I brought my recently acquired 861711D to Luray, Virginia to show/share with Chris at his rod shop open house some years ago. (John Channer), I have never been able to describe to anyone else how a rod feels to them. Unknown, so I would hesitate to speculate. by SpringCreek 06/12/16 10:45, Post Powered by Shopify. The two different numbers are for the tip and the butt of the rod. (Mark Dyba), Heh, nothing wrong with that. You are correct, this is just a way of evaluating the effects of adding or subtracting material from different areas along a rods length. How would you characterize their casting characteristics? 2 wt 0.0585 0 0.068 It is truely a wet fly action - great for those soft hacles. OK, the rod was a Paul Young Perfectionist. (four piece) carbon fiber spey blank. This gives a quick, accurate impression as to what type of taper the rod is made from (straight, parabolic, compound, etc.) This is one of those bio-feedback things you must be self taught IMHO. (Greg Reeves), Something ain't quite right there. As a rule I only make #5 rods (like Marinaro) and the bulk of these are less than 7'6". 0.369 The 8013 is a faster rod with a stiffer tip which makes it capable of handling more line at a greater distance, the downside is that it wont fish as well up close. 0.360 (Tim Pembroke). Rod Selection - Dickerson Tapers, < Home < Tips Area < Rod Selection < Dickerson Tapers, Can someone help me find the taper for the Dickerson 7613. I would love to have the opportunity to cast my perfectionist (or any one of the several I've made for people) against any 7 1/2-foot 5-weight of his choice and compare line speed, distance, accuracy, or any other criterion he would like. Its a very useful exercise. 2023 American Museum Of Fly Fishing. All Dickerson copies include Dickerson aesthetics, blued ferrules & an agate stripping guide if desired. by JohnI 05/09/09 04:06, Post The line was a Scientific Angler's WF7 in their XXD (distance) format. This is, of course, wildly unsatisfactory, but all attempts to reduce the problem seem to last for only a short time. So now where do you add or subtract material and what effect will it have on the rod. If you are designing a rod based on a linear taper and you want to make it a 3 or 4 piece instead of a 2, how would this be taken into account? (Harry Boyd). Not that I very much care, these people have a perfect right to their willful ignorance. I measured the rod after seeing David Ray's posting of an 861711 in his taper library that is accessed from Hexrod. So the data exists both ways in the spreadsheet. This rod consists of medium tempered cane constructed in a 3x3 node pattern with Dickerson tan wraps and black tipping. by Morten 06/12/16 08:37, Post 40 .202 .375 Not too many folks consider these mediocre. There is a view that all the great tapers have already been invented. I have not tried it with an 8 weight but I will as soon as I get back from Texas, ya'll. To accomplish this I have added bamboo to compensate for the ferrule and the Varnish & Guides.. 0.232 If you are looking for a Dickerson rod or have one that you would like to sell please contact us. 1 2 3 And well worth the little time it takes to execute. 40 0.184 Right, I've printed that off and made a brief study. by Mike McGuire 06/16/16 23:29, Post 75 0.279 126179 (Paul Blakley). One of our longstanding rod models with classic cane color and a slightly more moderate action. Somehow the "D" was either left off by me in the original posting or was lost in translation to David's site. Regarding Chris Bogart's Dickerson. Yes, there are specific applications for a 7'6" 5wt here in Michigan. Spotted lanternfly is an invasive plant hopper native to eastern Asia. All rights reserved. Acclaimed as one of the finest rod tapers ever conceived. Hence the short butt long tip "BSAS" conformation of some of the better iterations. 0.102 - Led Zeppelin, 10 Years Gone. 30 0.155 Can't remember which is which without looking in the book, but one is lighter than the other. is obviously your opinion, which you are entitled to. .266@20 75 0.2855 Brewer Rods These rods use tried and true taper designs as a starting point. 0 .326 .180 You can easily introduce straight line tapers as well. One from the 1950s, one from the 1970s, and Russ Gooding's Golden Witch version. ever wonder why all those 10 1/2/64 Heddons broke at the female ferrule? Orvis passed the 60,000 bamboo rods made number quite some time back and of course is still making them. Experience the difference of a Mystic Fly Rod on your next expedition. by mosquito 05/08/09 09:33, Post So far everyone that has put the numbers up on Russ Goodings 7613 LT has listed 19 measurements. It was considerably more effortless to use than my colleagues 8'6'' to 9' supposedly #4 carbons. Variations below this point have more to do with the character of the rod than the line weight. Stress curves are the only tool I have seen that give you a visual image of exactly what you have changed and the consequences of that action. (Robin Haywood). When fishing bamboo for trout I believe the "best" length is an 8 foot rod. 10 0.097 It throws up some very interesting facts. The 7613 is a wonderfully versatile taper, the rod is light in the hand, and is at home casting sizes #6 Muddlers to #16 Dry flies. by trouttrapper 06/12/16 09:32, Post 45 .212 under reel seat, The numbers listed below are from Banjos' rod, 0 .084 .238 For anyone who hasn't done so, it is a really simple and useful exercise to combine tapers for rods of the same length and line weight in a spreadsheet such as excel and make a line chart of them. The swell starts at the 80" mark which will be under the cork assuming I have a grip and an insert roughly 10" in length. Dickerson 8014 Fred Bears Rod, 2606 -1. Conversely, the .202 is at the low end of fit for a 14/64. I own a Thramer 6611 and 7012 HB tapers, both with Thramer cosmetics and they are both awesome rods. John Pickard only way to go. Just for once I'm going to recommend a step down ferrule! The biggest discrepancies are around the ferrules, and you'll notice in many "classic tapers" flattening of the slope into and out of the ferrules - presumably to make fitting a tapered peg into a cylindrical hole easier. (If memory serves me right Tony Young sells step down ferrules for Dickerson rods, so you may try that. As Stephen points out if you can cast the rods then graph them out you really start to understand how it all comes together. (Robin Haywood), I find this a very interesting. As Will predicts, this is a very pleasant and easy rod to cast. The trouble is, really, that I know there are people out there who really do understand taper design, it's getting them to talk to us about it thats the problem. Listed as 7 wt but that seems kinda heavy? 80 0.296 121171 Most of the classic rodmakers continually "fudged" their tapers over the years (sometimes unintentionally due to machine and pattern wear, and sometimes deliberately). (Robin Haywood). As this was my favorite rod, much foul language followed. I'm off to the antipodes next year, and I'm hoping that the 7'6'' #5 that should be a #4 will go with me. Dickerson 8015 Guide Special By Jim Schaaf, 2458 - 11. Both tapers conform to the shape broadly called parabolic and thus will have the shortcomings that all rods of this misconceived taper share. As long as a maker includes the correct ferrule drop, Dickerson tapers are no more difficult to make than most others. This first set was posted on The Classic Fly Rod Forum by Jeff Fultz. Rod making, restoration, repairs and discussion on those related topics concerning bamboo rods. The American Museum of Fly Fishing Collection Gift of . 10 .112 .262 Another maker who knows Dickerson tapers very well is Rick Cunningham. But more relevant and to the point, I bought a single tip Dickerson 7613 from John and he recently provided me with a second tip from pre-embargo cane and original Dickerson hardware, and the action is a dead ringer for the original Dickerson 7613. The mid sections are very different. 1951Accession No.1987.010.024Made byNARMCO, The American Museum Of Fly Fishing They are very nice 5 weights ( IMHO it is THE 8 5 wt). Hardy Fly Fishing Rod Trout Fishing Rods & Poles 8 Guides, Hardy Fly Reel Trout Fishing Reels, Hardy Trout Fishing Rods & Poles, Again, there is slight flattening around the ferrule, and I suspect the measurement at 35" is due to machine operator error/technique rather than designed in. 30 .174 .322 If you add bamboo the the tip of the rod, you have changed its mass (MOI/MOE) relative to what it was. Is the 8013 just a 6" longer 7613 or what are the differences? Its just simply to do with maximum stiffness (IE minimum deflection) for a given material weight. It's a two piece, 8 foot five weight. If you would like to give Michigan a try, let me know. by avyoung 06/12/16 21:25, Post It is, literally, the shape of the rod itself and determines how . It made a fine rod, but you have to smooth out the taper leading into and out of the 45 and 50" stations as the rod was designed for a step down ferrule. I like to look at the taper itself and how it compares to a straight line taper, the stress curve, the tip deflection under loading, the shape the rod assumes under maximum loading, the rod weight and the center of gravity. (Lew) Parks. A significant part of that application are the prejudices of the person who is going to be using it. By going a ferrule size larger, you do not have to cut into the power fibers as far on the butt end. Station Diameter 2 piece. Dave Norling, Rush River Rods, makes a stepdown 13/12 ferrule, the only size stepdown that he offers , that works very well for this taper. The ID of the female ferrule where it accepts the male slide is .187", or 12/64. This will be three tips (light, heavy and SLT), three butts (light, heavy, SLT), a parabolic and a hinge. (Mark Wendt), At least according to Jack Howell's measured tapers in "The Lovely Reed". 0.308 Can someone email me the taper or point me in the right direction? Dickerson R.W. I Have commented additionally, if trivially in a private post on the other points. As you know line weight do vary so maybe your 8 wt is my 7 wt, or something like that? Easy casting and very versatile. Grayrock 96. Dies are not so easy to make that he would have probably have made an entire offset set. (Tom Peters), 0.066 Its definitely a bigger water rod that the 7613. My original Dickerson is an 861711D dated 1936. (Todd Talsma), I had rather hoped that I might finesse out of someone just what these specific requirements might be. The trouble is, that's all it does! Measured over varnish. Let's be honest about this. But if you decide to tell the world that this is therefore the right way to design a fishing rod then I'm going to disagree with you!" well there is your answer. More than an eight weight is required to handle the largest of flies. There are about 4 to 5 version of the 7013, I like the 1970 version the best. 5 0.088 112541 Consider one or the other of these two if your rod maker intends to fit the rod with step down ferrules, since there is a .010" step down across the ferrule stations. 15 0.115 163502 He was known for using only one or two strips from a culm, a time-consuming and expensive way to build rods. For each size ferrule there is a specific range of dimensions that will fit inside each size. Ralph Tuttle did the actual spreadsheet work. 65 0.248 134403 I believe he told me he placed his roll casting hinge 10"-15" above the handle, depending on rod length. Besides that, he's extremely knowledgeable about Dickerson, is the present owner of the Dickerson rod shop, and has an extreme reverence for Lyle's creations and tapers. Rod makers history, value guide and general discussion, Link to Orvis Database by Greg Reynolds, Link to EC Powell's Mechanics of fly casting. The Dickerson 7612 taper a smooth medium action 4 wt that is 7 1/2 long in a 2pc. Over the time I have made rods. I search on Google and didn't come up with anything. Common sense tells me to leave the middle of the taper . (Steve Weiss). 'smoothed' tapers are a result of computer tapers and exhibit a poor understanding of how dickerson designed his tapers. 40 0.180 146694 The butts are just not stiff enough, although, in some, the tips are quite satisfactory. Cynically, but I may not have entirely given up, yet. The 7012 HB is super light, and can cast with the best of them. Latterly, they considered that a fiberglass butt section would solve all their troubles. Chris likes it for Smallmouth on the Shenandoah. 7 wt 0.0790 85 0.296 138357 Thanks. This taper, starting with a .068 tip dimension, makes a great middle distance 8' WF6 or 7-1/2' 5wt. November - May by avyoung 06/16/16 18:33, Post (Will McMurrey), A picture says a thousand words. 0.288 Garrison's are straight except for the last 15 inches which he "fudged" to accommodate one of the standard tip top sizes. The stepped down portion of the male is 2/64's smaller than the sleeve. A Powell B taper by definition is a straight taper. I would agree that one system is not all encompassing and I agree with the selection of evaluating criteria you outlined. 0.128 I would suggest you should RESPECT the man (as well as EC Powell and others) who made contributions to providing us all with tools to understand and continue to develop taper design (Hexrod being one, a powerful and easily applied tool, I believe based on Garrison's math). 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