Fast forward to today and it's a 627 8 rndr with moon clips. I've owned more than one; one that I got 2nd hand I had to replace the ejector rod, but this was cheap, and would not have given me any trouble in a defensive situation where I needed more than six shots and there are very few situations that I hope I might ever run into that require more than one (well, hopefully zero!) And it retains more of it downrange. Bought a GP100 Match Champion. My selection for a fine short-barreled .357 Magnum Revolver is the "S&W", Model 686 Plus with a 2.5-inch barrel, with shroud for the ejection rod. While the .357 Magnum from a carbine does not quite match the .30-30 Win in velocity or energy, at 50 yards all of the loads mentioned in this article approach or exceed the 900 ft/lbs of energy . NO!!! The action is super smooth. ever made, the Ruger Security Six. It's accurate and its heavy barrel retards the recoil, which can be sharp at times. All in all, its an excellent concealed-carry revolver if you want a lot of firepower in a small package. One of Colts most famous revolvers is the 1873 Colt Single Action Army in the Colt .45 caliber. Haha. All in all, its an excellent concealed-carry revolver if you want a lot of firepower in a small package. Thanks for the article. Let us know in the comments below. In 2003 Colts new ceo decided they weren't going to build "obsolete" handguns for the civilian market anymore, decommissioned the machining tools that forged the python, and decided to focus all their attention on AR platforms for government contracts. Price puts them out of reach for many people. Hi, just got the 357 Magnum bug. But you know what they say, Close is only good in Hand grenades and Horse shoes. Re: 357 vs 44 mag vs 44-40 popularity in lever guns. View at Guns.com. I have three .357 revolvers: Just like the right to bear arms, this right does not give everyone the right to carry a gun at all times. -The recoil of the 45 Colt is much less than that of the .357 Magnum, making it more comfortable to . However, I suspect the window has closed on that idea. It should serve well as a deer rifle if the range is kept under 1. I was there in 1966-67 II Corps. A full power 158gr. All this being said, my personal CCP is a 1911 in .45 ACP. Youd be better off with a rifle caliber rifle so you at least couldnt get your ammo mixed up. You can also find some L Frame revolvers that are somewhere between the K and the N in frame size. Featuring an 8-shot cylinder and a factory-tuned action, this revolver is hard to beat. They also call for a bullet diameter of .3570" - .0030". Kinda want to try out some of the underwood extreme defender loadings from rifle length but going to be a bit until the next gun for the family. For pythons now. Perfect for concealed carry. Even for self defense Id stick with 158s in a .357 rifle. You must not have fired the Taurus Tracker. It has enough heft to tame most of the recoil, though I swapped out the wood grip. I have used a model 66 starting in 1985. I know you can't possibly include every 357 magnum you like, but for this aerticle I was surprised to see the Kimber K6s left out. Lets talk a little about the various frame sizes you can expect to see when shopping. I have reduced my 357 Mag Revolver holdings to the Ruger Security Six, Ruger SP101 and Ruger GP 100. Hey Jeremy, thanks for the reca Rhino is on my list of revolvers to try! After about 8 theres nothing left to gain from any longer barrel in 9mm. While heavier than the standard Colt Cobra, the extra weight helps tame the recoil of the .357 Magnum cartridge and increases service life. I have always thought the M1 carbine was a good idea at the time for its intended purpose. 35 Remy is 5 calibers larger in mass. And you were born knowing everything about all the guns, I take it? You Pew-Pew guys(and gals) are doing a great job. Don't quit reading, just try shooting the latest Taurus out. However, though I saw many an ARVN soldier carrying the little M1carbine I never laid a glove on one until about two years ago when I got one on special from Fulton Armory. First up, we have the Smith & Wesson Model 627 Pro, which is what comes to mind when I think of a revolver chambered in .357 Magnum. A little game where each player hits the soda can while its still moving. Four extra mm for a few more grains of powder or a weightier bullet. Which gives the bigger bullet of the two bragging rights for killing ability. .357 you can imagine. I had heard at one point that the Python's have the most moving parts of any revolver on the market which is one reason for their feel. According to the S&W web site, "Today's K-Frame is available in .22 LR, .357 Magnum and .38 S&W Special." Impact velocity: 1,193 fps (569 lb-ft) Good to know. You were close with the Mod. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. 06-30-2009 @ 12:56 AM Location Houston Texas Posts 189 Local Date 01-15-2023 Local Time 05:16 AM.30 Carbine vs .357 Magnum There have been discussions in the past about the comparison between the .357 Magnum and the .30 Carbine cartridges. Now then, you throw the same loadings into a 16 AR9 theres a 140fps margin in favor of the Blue Dot! I love them. Answer (1 of 13): The 30-30 is more powerful and has a longer effective range, particularly with pointy polymer tipped bullets it can be a reliable 225-250 yard deer rifle. So many choices! Using .38 Special ammunition, it handles very nicely. video was pretty good. They are most accurate at less than 1,000 yards. Now thats a good reply right there.hehe.. I bought a Galco D.A.O. Check Sturm, Ruger & Co.'s website for GP100 serial number dates that indicate S/N 170-00001 (1st Issue) was first "shipped" in 1986. I dont prefer it for carry, for that I chose my sig p380 hd. I have a mid eighties Dan Wesson 357 mag 6 inch barrel ventilated rib (model is 13 V). I dont shoot it much, but for me its still a keeper. Over priced at best, "suck" not hardly. The parts are all very light weight. Over the years I've bought a number of firearms that I also do love, but the Dan Wesson I would never part with. The 350 legend is actually a 9mm not the same as a 357. There are a ton of revolver models floating around the market, and most are solid. You do not pay Each of the six rounds you place in a .357 Magnum revolver delivers some of the best performance from a handgun. In other words, the rimless 10mm case is loaded with a 0.40" diameter bullet, whereas the longer .357 Magnum case is topped with a 0.357" diameter bullet, as the name implies. 30-06 Springfield-60,000: 38 Special-17,000: 260 Remington-60,000: 300 H & H : No PSI Std. . By the way, whats wrong with the Taurus? mitigates recoil and muzzle lift. It features a fixed rear sight, brass bead front sight, and Hogue Overmolded rubber grips. Are you serious a ruger is a work of are. I own S&w revolver, model 586-3 and i Shoot on competitions. Now what should we compare it to. Min Expansion: 0.587. Colt Lawman Mark III Reply. At 500 yards, the various .30-06 loads have about 7-10 (~20%) more bullet drop than comparable 7mm Rem Mag loads. I have a Marlin 336BL in the corner thats my go to rifle. What the hell is that!!Usually so,meone else answer s for me. Now I've been trying to find a nice pea shooter pistol. i love my Trooper MK3..love my ugly ole glock 31/.357sig too.. Never had it not go BANG and cycle properly when shooting. Pistol caliber carbines are practical, economical to feed and just plain fun to shoot. I prefer the 4-inch underlug barrel, adjustable rear sight, and ramp front sight. Buffalo Bore also claims that their Heavy .357 Magnum hard cast 158-grain loads will produce 2153 fps and 1626 lb-ft from an 18 carbine. The SAAMI specs call for a .355 groove diameter and a .346" bore diameter. I own 3 of them(One happens to be an "Ashland"). While I own a number of different pistols, I love my revolvers for their simplicity, reliability, and accuracy. Type your new password and hit button below to confirm it. .357 Magnum could work too for hunting, especially in a rifle vs. a revolver, but going with .30-30 would give you a bit more edge . Despite the fact that some people dont like Taurus guns, I still like my Taurus 617Ti. Colt and Smith doesnt stand a chance. The extra length prevents the revolvers cylinder from closing and locking into place. It is such a pleasure to shoot I have no problems dumping 200 rounds through 'er during a range session. I think the GP 100 is a better all-around gun. Only an idiot would need to read an article to grasp and understand that ANY 30-30 rifle cartridge is vastly more powerful and ballistically superior to ANY 357 magnum cartridge. Well, yes and no. The Smith & Wesson company first started in Norwich, Connecticut, in 1852. 8. Even the weakest .30-30 load we tested produced almost 30 percent more energy than the most impressive .357 Magnum, and even that so-called 'weak' 170-grain .30-30 bullet will retain much more of its energy much farther downrange than any flat-nosed .357 slug will. It seems a little odd that the best selling revolvers in the history of the world,some of which are still being manufactured,are obsolete but 2 discontinued and very expensive used Colts are recommended. Sorry, Ted, but you might "bez" mistaken. I couldnt measure their velocity from the revolver, because theyre so smoky and sooty that the flying particles gave false readings from the chronograph. True dat, but that kind of defeats the purpose of the matching caliber pistol/rifle combo. For target practice, I still recommend using .38 Special ammo to save money. Next . Join Our Community. Think big Magnaports and alot of fun lol. This revolver is built on a large frame similar to the Smith and Wesson model 29. You wont find one off the shelf, but I could take a standard 9mm barrel and find a good lathe operator to deepen the chamber. You also get match-grade wood grips and adjustable sights. The short-barreled .30-30 did not produce obnoxious muzzle blast or excessive recoil; in fact it exhibited no particular vices at all other than its sighting apparatus. You get most of the oomph of 357, but can still conceal easily. The titanium frame and cylinder make it comfortable to carry, I like the 7 shot capacity, and the ported barrel does help with muzzle flip. The gun features a fully adjustable rear sight, match trigger, and is completely hand-fitted to exacting tolerances. Best accuracy in real 357 loadings (much of todays 357 is anemic) is with 140+ grain bullets. Penetration: 18.1 The great stopping power myth is that there is a "best." But I have an AR-15 in the next corner just in case. These revolvers are easy to conceal in a holster, purse, or fanny pack. Taurus 66, 6" made the list. My carry gun is SP101. It's chambered in nearly every major manufacturer's rifle and has a plethora of ammunition choices as well. All in all, apart from the inherently higher quality that you get with S&W and Ruger, the Windy is pretty much equal to any gun on this list when it comes down to all practical purposes and I'm quite fond of it. While both rounds work well for self-defense, the 357 Magnum kicks ass in the realm of hunting. Although it has some recoil, it can be ported with two-ports on each side of the barrel. One also must consider whether today's .357 Magnum revolvers are as good as or worse than the giants upon whose shoulders they stand. Lots of great guns and points here but as with any beat of list, you like what you like. Watch out! My last 3 handguns have all been revolvers. After all, the title is a fair warning of what is contained therein. This is 326 foot-pounds in excess of the original .357 SIG load's muzzle energy, or a difference of 55.91% in favor of the .357 Magnum. See how this works? Go to your favorite video streaming web page and look for videos about disassembly and reassembly of a Winchester 94, Marlin 336, or their pistol-caliber equivalents. :-). Get the latest new and updates on products, news and events. I disagree 8 shot sounds nice, but heavy and clunky so in practicality the 686+(7 shot) is much easier to carry not to mention the difference in price, the 627 just doesnt have enough to justify the cost difference over the 686+.. most forum readers tend to agree. As an example, I do happen to like the earlier 6 shot 686s, but dont care much for the heavier 7 shooters. I own the .357 with a 4.2" barrel and its very nice. Haven't put as many rounds through it as I would like, but it seems like we were made for each other. The .25-06 costs less, too. And that's with standard ammo. But if any of y'all out there got a long barrel 357 Smith I sure would like to find one. If the ball collides with them, slope io game is over. Next to no muzzle flip at all. The Williams rear aperture sight was clear and precise, but the tiny front post was a challenge to pick up and the redundant rear semi-buckhorn sight blocked another 50 percent of the target. Thanks,Tad. I think the rhino has it won hands down ,design reduces recoil ,still shoot my pythons and a bunch of distinguished combat magnums by s& w but the rhino is my favorite because of reduced recoil. I reload .38 Special for target shooting and the heavy frame is just right for the recoil of the .357 cartridge. Beautiful gun and nice action but shooting heavy loads one handed makes my hand slide up the back. Check out our review of the King Cobra or view what others think about the Cobra over on our Pew Pew Meter Page! The only problem with it was the grip was too small. In similar enough meaning it definitely is a WIN though. Love the way it handles. You have entered an incorrect email address!
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Fast forward to today and it's a 627 8 rndr with moon clips. I've owned more than one; one that I got 2nd hand I had to replace the ejector rod, but this was cheap, and would not have given me any trouble in a defensive situation where I needed more than six shots and there are very few situations that I hope I might ever run into that require more than one (well, hopefully zero!) And it retains more of it downrange. Bought a GP100 Match Champion. My selection for a fine short-barreled .357 Magnum Revolver is the "S&W", Model 686 Plus with a 2.5-inch barrel, with shroud for the ejection rod. While the .357 Magnum from a carbine does not quite match the .30-30 Win in velocity or energy, at 50 yards all of the loads mentioned in this article approach or exceed the 900 ft/lbs of energy . NO!!! The action is super smooth. ever made, the Ruger Security Six. It's accurate and its heavy barrel retards the recoil, which can be sharp at times. All in all, its an excellent concealed-carry revolver if you want a lot of firepower in a small package. One of Colts most famous revolvers is the 1873 Colt Single Action Army in the Colt .45 caliber. Haha. All in all, its an excellent concealed-carry revolver if you want a lot of firepower in a small package. Thanks for the article. Let us know in the comments below. In 2003 Colts new ceo decided they weren't going to build "obsolete" handguns for the civilian market anymore, decommissioned the machining tools that forged the python, and decided to focus all their attention on AR platforms for government contracts. Price puts them out of reach for many people. Hi, just got the 357 Magnum bug. But you know what they say, Close is only good in Hand grenades and Horse shoes. Re: 357 vs 44 mag vs 44-40 popularity in lever guns. View at Guns.com. I have three .357 revolvers: Just like the right to bear arms, this right does not give everyone the right to carry a gun at all times. -The recoil of the 45 Colt is much less than that of the .357 Magnum, making it more comfortable to . However, I suspect the window has closed on that idea. It should serve well as a deer rifle if the range is kept under 1. I was there in 1966-67 II Corps. A full power 158gr. All this being said, my personal CCP is a 1911 in .45 ACP. Youd be better off with a rifle caliber rifle so you at least couldnt get your ammo mixed up. You can also find some L Frame revolvers that are somewhere between the K and the N in frame size. Featuring an 8-shot cylinder and a factory-tuned action, this revolver is hard to beat. They also call for a bullet diameter of .3570" - .0030". Kinda want to try out some of the underwood extreme defender loadings from rifle length but going to be a bit until the next gun for the family. For pythons now. Perfect for concealed carry. Even for self defense Id stick with 158s in a .357 rifle. You must not have fired the Taurus Tracker. It has enough heft to tame most of the recoil, though I swapped out the wood grip. I have used a model 66 starting in 1985. I know you can't possibly include every 357 magnum you like, but for this aerticle I was surprised to see the Kimber K6s left out. Lets talk a little about the various frame sizes you can expect to see when shopping. I have reduced my 357 Mag Revolver holdings to the Ruger Security Six, Ruger SP101 and Ruger GP 100. Hey Jeremy, thanks for the reca Rhino is on my list of revolvers to try! After about 8 theres nothing left to gain from any longer barrel in 9mm. While heavier than the standard Colt Cobra, the extra weight helps tame the recoil of the .357 Magnum cartridge and increases service life. I have always thought the M1 carbine was a good idea at the time for its intended purpose. 35 Remy is 5 calibers larger in mass. And you were born knowing everything about all the guns, I take it? You Pew-Pew guys(and gals) are doing a great job. Don't quit reading, just try shooting the latest Taurus out. However, though I saw many an ARVN soldier carrying the little M1carbine I never laid a glove on one until about two years ago when I got one on special from Fulton Armory. First up, we have the Smith & Wesson Model 627 Pro, which is what comes to mind when I think of a revolver chambered in .357 Magnum. A little game where each player hits the soda can while its still moving. Four extra mm for a few more grains of powder or a weightier bullet. Which gives the bigger bullet of the two bragging rights for killing ability. .357 you can imagine. I had heard at one point that the Python's have the most moving parts of any revolver on the market which is one reason for their feel. According to the S&W web site, "Today's K-Frame is available in .22 LR, .357 Magnum and .38 S&W Special." Impact velocity: 1,193 fps (569 lb-ft) Good to know. You were close with the Mod. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. 06-30-2009 @ 12:56 AM Location Houston Texas Posts 189 Local Date 01-15-2023 Local Time 05:16 AM.30 Carbine vs .357 Magnum There have been discussions in the past about the comparison between the .357 Magnum and the .30 Carbine cartridges. Now then, you throw the same loadings into a 16 AR9 theres a 140fps margin in favor of the Blue Dot! I love them. Answer (1 of 13): The 30-30 is more powerful and has a longer effective range, particularly with pointy polymer tipped bullets it can be a reliable 225-250 yard deer rifle. So many choices! Using .38 Special ammunition, it handles very nicely. video was pretty good. They are most accurate at less than 1,000 yards. Now thats a good reply right there.hehe.. I bought a Galco D.A.O. Check Sturm, Ruger & Co.'s website for GP100 serial number dates that indicate S/N 170-00001 (1st Issue) was first "shipped" in 1986. I dont prefer it for carry, for that I chose my sig p380 hd. I have a mid eighties Dan Wesson 357 mag 6 inch barrel ventilated rib (model is 13 V). I dont shoot it much, but for me its still a keeper. Over priced at best, "suck" not hardly. The parts are all very light weight. Over the years I've bought a number of firearms that I also do love, but the Dan Wesson I would never part with. The 350 legend is actually a 9mm not the same as a 357. There are a ton of revolver models floating around the market, and most are solid. You do not pay Each of the six rounds you place in a .357 Magnum revolver delivers some of the best performance from a handgun. In other words, the rimless 10mm case is loaded with a 0.40" diameter bullet, whereas the longer .357 Magnum case is topped with a 0.357" diameter bullet, as the name implies. 30-06 Springfield-60,000: 38 Special-17,000: 260 Remington-60,000: 300 H & H : No PSI Std. . By the way, whats wrong with the Taurus? mitigates recoil and muzzle lift. It features a fixed rear sight, brass bead front sight, and Hogue Overmolded rubber grips. Are you serious a ruger is a work of are. I own S&w revolver, model 586-3 and i Shoot on competitions. Now what should we compare it to. Min Expansion: 0.587. Colt Lawman Mark III Reply. At 500 yards, the various .30-06 loads have about 7-10 (~20%) more bullet drop than comparable 7mm Rem Mag loads. I have a Marlin 336BL in the corner thats my go to rifle. What the hell is that!!Usually so,meone else answer s for me. Now I've been trying to find a nice pea shooter pistol. i love my Trooper MK3..love my ugly ole glock 31/.357sig too.. Never had it not go BANG and cycle properly when shooting. Pistol caliber carbines are practical, economical to feed and just plain fun to shoot. I prefer the 4-inch underlug barrel, adjustable rear sight, and ramp front sight. Buffalo Bore also claims that their Heavy .357 Magnum hard cast 158-grain loads will produce 2153 fps and 1626 lb-ft from an 18 carbine. The SAAMI specs call for a .355 groove diameter and a .346" bore diameter. I own 3 of them(One happens to be an "Ashland"). While I own a number of different pistols, I love my revolvers for their simplicity, reliability, and accuracy. Type your new password and hit button below to confirm it. .357 Magnum could work too for hunting, especially in a rifle vs. a revolver, but going with .30-30 would give you a bit more edge . Despite the fact that some people dont like Taurus guns, I still like my Taurus 617Ti. Colt and Smith doesnt stand a chance. The extra length prevents the revolvers cylinder from closing and locking into place. It is such a pleasure to shoot I have no problems dumping 200 rounds through 'er during a range session. I think the GP 100 is a better all-around gun. Only an idiot would need to read an article to grasp and understand that ANY 30-30 rifle cartridge is vastly more powerful and ballistically superior to ANY 357 magnum cartridge. Well, yes and no. The Smith & Wesson company first started in Norwich, Connecticut, in 1852. 8. Even the weakest .30-30 load we tested produced almost 30 percent more energy than the most impressive .357 Magnum, and even that so-called 'weak' 170-grain .30-30 bullet will retain much more of its energy much farther downrange than any flat-nosed .357 slug will. It seems a little odd that the best selling revolvers in the history of the world,some of which are still being manufactured,are obsolete but 2 discontinued and very expensive used Colts are recommended. Sorry, Ted, but you might "bez" mistaken. I couldnt measure their velocity from the revolver, because theyre so smoky and sooty that the flying particles gave false readings from the chronograph. True dat, but that kind of defeats the purpose of the matching caliber pistol/rifle combo. For target practice, I still recommend using .38 Special ammo to save money. Next . Join Our Community. Think big Magnaports and alot of fun lol. This revolver is built on a large frame similar to the Smith and Wesson model 29. You wont find one off the shelf, but I could take a standard 9mm barrel and find a good lathe operator to deepen the chamber. You also get match-grade wood grips and adjustable sights. The short-barreled .30-30 did not produce obnoxious muzzle blast or excessive recoil; in fact it exhibited no particular vices at all other than its sighting apparatus. You get most of the oomph of 357, but can still conceal easily. The titanium frame and cylinder make it comfortable to carry, I like the 7 shot capacity, and the ported barrel does help with muzzle flip. The gun features a fully adjustable rear sight, match trigger, and is completely hand-fitted to exacting tolerances. Best accuracy in real 357 loadings (much of todays 357 is anemic) is with 140+ grain bullets. Penetration: 18.1 The great stopping power myth is that there is a "best." But I have an AR-15 in the next corner just in case. These revolvers are easy to conceal in a holster, purse, or fanny pack. Taurus 66, 6" made the list. My carry gun is SP101. It's chambered in nearly every major manufacturer's rifle and has a plethora of ammunition choices as well. All in all, apart from the inherently higher quality that you get with S&W and Ruger, the Windy is pretty much equal to any gun on this list when it comes down to all practical purposes and I'm quite fond of it. While both rounds work well for self-defense, the 357 Magnum kicks ass in the realm of hunting. Although it has some recoil, it can be ported with two-ports on each side of the barrel. One also must consider whether today's .357 Magnum revolvers are as good as or worse than the giants upon whose shoulders they stand. Lots of great guns and points here but as with any beat of list, you like what you like. Watch out! My last 3 handguns have all been revolvers. After all, the title is a fair warning of what is contained therein. This is 326 foot-pounds in excess of the original .357 SIG load's muzzle energy, or a difference of 55.91% in favor of the .357 Magnum. See how this works? Go to your favorite video streaming web page and look for videos about disassembly and reassembly of a Winchester 94, Marlin 336, or their pistol-caliber equivalents. :-). Get the latest new and updates on products, news and events. I disagree 8 shot sounds nice, but heavy and clunky so in practicality the 686+(7 shot) is much easier to carry not to mention the difference in price, the 627 just doesnt have enough to justify the cost difference over the 686+.. most forum readers tend to agree. As an example, I do happen to like the earlier 6 shot 686s, but dont care much for the heavier 7 shooters. I own the .357 with a 4.2" barrel and its very nice. Haven't put as many rounds through it as I would like, but it seems like we were made for each other. The .25-06 costs less, too. And that's with standard ammo. But if any of y'all out there got a long barrel 357 Smith I sure would like to find one. If the ball collides with them, slope io game is over. Next to no muzzle flip at all. The Williams rear aperture sight was clear and precise, but the tiny front post was a challenge to pick up and the redundant rear semi-buckhorn sight blocked another 50 percent of the target. Thanks,Tad. I think the rhino has it won hands down ,design reduces recoil ,still shoot my pythons and a bunch of distinguished combat magnums by s& w but the rhino is my favorite because of reduced recoil. I reload .38 Special for target shooting and the heavy frame is just right for the recoil of the .357 cartridge. Beautiful gun and nice action but shooting heavy loads one handed makes my hand slide up the back. Check out our review of the King Cobra or view what others think about the Cobra over on our Pew Pew Meter Page! The only problem with it was the grip was too small. In similar enough meaning it definitely is a WIN though. Love the way it handles. You have entered an incorrect email address!
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